Fan-bloody-tastic!
Pity it wasn't the HQ as the O.P. title mistakenly states - it's a Branch Office. But still, it's a start.
http://brusselstimes.com/belgium/justice/15271/police-descend-on-jehovah-s-witness-hq-after-abuse-allegations.
Fan-bloody-tastic!
Pity it wasn't the HQ as the O.P. title mistakenly states - it's a Branch Office. But still, it's a start.
so the past few months since we’ve been married, we’ve hardly been going to the meetings.
and my mother says that an informer has been calling her to “tell on us” for not going to the meetings.
we’ve told some people that we have been attending meetings in a different area and hall since we are considering moving there.
Hi Addison, it looks like it's time for you both to put on the complete suit of fading armour!
If you apply these crucial principles to your situation, you may save yourself a lot of grief. In order to fade as painlessly & safely as possible from the org, it is imperative to always keep this in mind when in the presence of J.W.'s, especially if it's elders: "Divulge nothing".
Giving personal information to such ones will be like putting a rope around your own neck. Sadly, many J.W.'s don't believe they have the nerve/courage/know-how to refuse to discuss things when questioned by the "appointed shepherds."
NEVER forget that elders know they cannot force you to talk with them, so they rely on your fear of their non-existent authority in order to make you comply with their interrogation.
The following applies whether you attend the hall or not and is by no means comprehensive, but it is simple, straightforward, and very effective if you are offered a "shepherding call" or invited into the back room at the Kingdom Hall for a "chat".
If the former, simply say, "thanks for your offer brothers, but not at the moment. I'll let you know when I feel ready."
If the latter, enter the room and let them reveal what's on their minds. (your lack of field service, meeting attendance, etc.)
Now you're ready to say something along these lines: "Thank you for your concerns brothers, but I have private & personal issues which I can't discuss with anyone at the moment, but I certainly appreciate your motives and concern. If things change, it's good to know that I can call you. Thank you for your offer".
Elders' Conversation Stoppers:
1) "We only want to come and give you encouragement." Simply repeat the response above - especially the phrase "private & personal."!
2) "But how can we help you if you won't talk to us?" "Everyone has private & personal situations which they can't discuss with others, and I'm sure that includes the elders - I'm no different!"
3) "Are you refusing to talk with us?" "No, I just don't want to discuss things right now. I'll call you if things change."
If they push with their interrogation, just say 'thanks' and walk away immediately!
Do not prolong the interrogation. They can't punish you for ending a conversation! Repeat any/all of the above to ANYONE who tries to extract information from you, because the elders MAY get someone you TRUST to try and get information out of you!
If you rehearse & practice your responses, you will be so much more confident and able to fend off any attempts to ambush you. Always display a meek but firm disposition.
NEVER act confrontational with the wolves, because there's always ONE in the pack who will go for you!
Best wishes for a happy fade.
hi all my name is chad.
i'm a christian.
i operate a small non denominational ministry.
Welcome S.O.T. Hope you have an enlightening time while you are here.
i ended my bible study today.
several months ago, i began to feel that the truth was not the truth.
as the months progressed, my feelings intensified.
Hi Maria, you have probably just made the biggest and best decision of your life. Many here will envy your fast escape.
You have saved yourself a lifetime of devoting your obedience, time, and money to a cult which is anti-scriptural in its teachings and its name, and anti-Christ in its only religious ceremony - the memorial.
Go and enjoy your freedom! (you have a PM)
2,259 in attendance .
9 baptized.
$21,000 to operate one day assembly.
@ Maria Neves: The anti-scriptural & mind-controlling teachings of JW's continue unchallenged by the flock!
If JW's just sat down for 3 minutes and considered Matthew 18:15-17 - using their own thinking abilities - perhaps their hearts & minds might see for the first time that Jesus said absolutely nothing about elders being involved when someone commits a serious sin.
In fact, he explicitly stated that if a sin has been witnessed by someone, the matter should be resolved between the sinner and the witness. No one else was to be involved.
Jesus never said anything about Christians having to confess to elders. Verse 16 is referring to other witnesses of the sin - not witnesses of the accusation.
Matthew 18:17 & 1 Timothy 5:20 also show exactly who should be informed of an unrepentant member & their sin, as a warning for the whole congregation - not just elders.
a must read update to darkspilvers subpeona.
reddit has joined the eff's effort to fight the jehovah's witness organization, watchtower bible & tract society, who subpoenaed redditor darkspilver's identity using tenuous claims of copyright infringement.. set to go live in 5 hours!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsyvcy0pkok.
Surprising that the org is making such a fuss about someone who never criticised or ridiculed the org - while here or on Reddit - and never submitted any JW material/news items which weren't already in the public domain and subject to Fair Use laws. Neither did Darkspilver give any hints while he was here that he was a devout J.W.
The org is apparently "pursuing" someone they know they have no legal chance of catching. Why?
they say this sell off is for the need to build more kh.
however the branch accounting video that was leaked shows otherwise.. is there a way to find out how many halls are constructed in africa and other places to show the money trail is to pay for child abuse cases and not new halls.?.
hp.
The elephant in the room (not in the African KH's - too small!) is this:
Why isn't the org bombarding JW's with wonderful videos of all the new K.H.'s that are allegedly being built for "poor brothers"?
they say this sell off is for the need to build more kh.
however the branch accounting video that was leaked shows otherwise.. is there a way to find out how many halls are constructed in africa and other places to show the money trail is to pay for child abuse cases and not new halls.?.
hp.
$25,000????? LOL
My garden shed is more substantial than this KH - and my shed cost less than $1000!!!!!!!!
i have been in crisis regarding the international problem of the way child abuse has been handled in the wt organization.
i have been dealing with serious health issues that made it necessary for me to go on permanent disability since 2015. since then my health has gotten worse making it nearly impossible to attend meetings.
in this period i have received no spiritual or other help of any kind.
Welcome Inactive. You are taking your first steps across the minefield.
You'll get much help from others here who have completed that journey. Take things calmly & slowly.
You have a P.M.
i’m not interested in becoming a jehovah’s witness but have nothing against people who are, or whatever religion someone chooses to follow for that matter.
i am here because i have some questions regarding my family and i. .
my fiancé stopped going to church prior to us meeting.
Your boyfriend knows all the answers to your questions.
Ask him to explain how your relationship/marriage/parenthood will be required to develop.
I'd suggest you record his answers - just in case he denies things when he starts obeying the cult again.